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From: NewRyan
Date: Tue Aug 15 14:20:08 MST 2006 Subject: technology and discipleship

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Boojeee: technology, solitude and the community (8/19/06)
emily: fun! fun! (8/20/06)
ryan: lost in the supermarket (8/24/06)
Karen: Great blog (8/24/06)
NewRyan: test (8/25/06)
Karen: The River Wild (8/25/06)
Patricia: structurelessness? (8/29/06)
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ryan: lost in the supermarket (8/24/06)
emily: fun! fun! (8/20/06)
Boojeee: technology, solitude and the community (8/19/06)
I came across the following article and found it pretty interesting and relevant in light of our current efforts to incorporate disciplines into our community. Plus, Dallas Willard is cool.

-ryan

Dallas Willard is not a hurried or haunted man. When he speaks, his words come easy and natural, amended by a bit of southern lilt that traces him back to his rural Missouri roots. His pauses can feel like great gaping holes to an interviewer more accustomed to the dizzying pace of simultaneous high speed internet interaction and cell phone chatter. When Dallas Willard does answer, it seems to come from some deep place inside him, not just skimmed-off something from the surface.

Willard, of course, is an author and a teacher who's been thinking about God longer than most of us have been alive. Though his vocational calling is philosophy professor, if you have heard of him at all, it's probably not because of his provocative insights into phenomenology or his defense of standard formal logic. Most of his renown comes from his insistence on the primacy of Jesus' teaching for Christianity. In a recent interview from his home, Willard addressed the "seduction of technology" and "stepping into the community that already exists."

RelevantMagazine.com: I've been thinking about this year's high school graduates, and their experiences and how they're really the first full generation to never have experienced life without the internet and these tremendous integrated systems of ours. To what degree do you think that this kind of technology and connection helps or hurts Christian discipleship?

Dallas Willard: ...Well, I deal daily with college students and I have seen the seduction of technology. We live in a world where technology lifts mankind into a false sense of power and as a result my students have a feeling that if they can do something they should. They feel that they can go here, go there, shut that out, do what they want to, and that is the most seductive aspect to technology: it creates a false sense of intimacy and a false sense of sense of self.

Now, that need not rule out the use of technology, the bad aspects can be resisted, but you do need to have a place to stand in order to present yourself in a way that allows you to handle all the things that are coming at you. For example: games. For many young people this is just their life; they sit staring into some kind of screen endlessly, they come into class playing games, pretending they're taking notes. They become obsessed. And that's the difficulty: the obsession and the subsequent distraction that they experience.

We have this phenomenon of Attention Deficit that people are experiencing and diagnosing right and left. The problem is not deficit of attention but the distraction and splintering of attention. You almost never see a young person today who's paying attention to one thing. There are various devices that they're carrying and are plugged into and they just want to live in that world. All this amounts to a tremendous problem and we can describe it as the inner gathering of the self.

RM: The inner gathering of the self...?

DW: The inner gathering of the self just means that you have a chosen direction and your life is organized around it. What young people today, both Christian and non-Christian are experiencing is not a chosen direction, though there is the illusion that they are choosing. Rather, young people today are being constantly pulled by things that they submit themselves to. That's the great temptation and the great problem for many people today. Most don't even notice the temptation, but their lives are being pulled apart by it. And when it comes to issues of exercising character and will, it simply isn't there for them. They can only respond to things that are pulling at them.

RM: It's a loss of focus?

DW: ...It's a loss of self-direction and the consequence of that is no focus.

RM: I know that for most twenty-somethings, myself included, it's easy to get lost in a maze of options...

DW: That's exactly right. See, young people identify life with consuming...and not just consuming stuff you might buy in a store but consuming all the stuff that is offered to them. They are constantly being hammered with all types of things which they open themselves up to by staying plugged in. The old saying from the drug generation, "Tune in, turn on, and drop out" has been made manifest, we have a generation of young people now who are living in a constant state of "dropped out-ness" from the real world and from its history and from community and from the integrity of themselves. ...And they don't even know that.

RM: But you're talking about a generation that has a put a great amount of emphasis on having friends and surrounding themselves with community...

DW: That's an expression of their loneliness. But most of them don't know what community means because community means assuming responsibility for other people and that means paying attention and not following your own will but submitting your will and giving up the world of intimacy and power you have in the little consumer world that you have created. They are lonely and they hurt. They don't know why that they think community might solve that, but when they look community in the face and realize that it means raw, skin to skin contact with other people for whom you have become responsible...that's when they back away.

RM: Maybe that's why twentysomethings have been pushing marriage and childbirth further and further back...

DW: Well, you see, childbirth is the most rudimentary form of community. There's the relationship between the man and the woman, and the relationship between the man, the woman, and the child...that is where community truly means being responsible for other people and people do not want that because that means that their freedom is limited.

When you step into that kind of responsibility, you've got to have some kind of resource to draw from and I would say that has to be the Kingdom of God. That, of course, is not accessible to many people and most Christians have not really heard about it.

RM: What you're saying is really hard to hear because...this is so much the pulse of this generation, that we are...that I myself am...consumed by only the things we wish to be consumed by...

DW: That's the Faustian drive that characterizes our culture generally and it is the sure way to defeat God's purposes for your life...to assume yourself to be the center of your world.

RM: I think that once someone is lost in that kind of selfishness, it's so hard to get through, to communicate that to someone without being horribly offensive to them...or it's hard to hear that I'm ridiculously selfish without getting offended.

DW: It's extremely hard. I know so well...when you look at their lives, everything from sex to their professional objectives, instead of seeing someone who is actually competent, you see someone who is, in rare exceptions, at their wits' end. That's why they have to go to clubs and drink too much and put themselves in odd positions in reference to their families. In the universities they're ready to cheat, to steal, and to do anything they can to get ahead and this is a terrible problem. And it's not just a problem at secular schools.

RM: Because, in this case there's little real difference between Christians and non-Christians...

DW: I was at a Christian school just a while back and it was winter time and everyone had to store their coats and equipment to come into the cafeteria and eat. There was a huge problem with theft in that coatroom...basically because we have no sense of responsibility to our communities.

RM: So, what are the very fundamental things that you would recommend to someone who is struggling with this...to someone who's been...what you said, "seduced" by the culture?

DW: You have to think in terms of radical disciplines that will return them out of this world of distraction they're living in and help them find the center, and those are solitude and silence. ...At first, they think it will drive them crazy because they will have lost their self as they know it, which lives out here in all of these places and does what it thinks is exercising power in its life. But to go into a quiet place and sit down and enjoy no noise, no speaking for long period of time...

RM: That just seems so counter productive.

DW: It does indeed. And let me tell you, this is not only a problem for your generation, it is a problem in the older generation as well. You should see CEO's and lead ministers start wiggling when you say this to them. Of course, they have their breakdowns too, and their forms of distractions and power and what the young people have today is simply a new and more widespread form of it.

You have to take yourself out of the place of running your world. And there is nothing that I know of that can do that other than the practice of lengthy solitude and silence. That will allow you to begin to understand what Sabbath means. But most people can't approach Sabbath because they're so revved up and so distracted by so many things that they couldn't even begin to think about it.

See, once you have begun to experience solitude and silence, you discover that you actually have a soul and that there is a God. Then you can begin to practice Sabbath and that will enable you to re-enter community. You can't have community without Sabbath.

RM: I think that a lot of Christians are surprised when they begin to actually make a stab toward community that there is such a high level of brokenness and hurt and suspicion among even church people...

DW: I think that you're right on...see, in our theology we've basically accepted that as the normal condition and that leaves us with nothing to help our condition. See, brokenness manifests itself as an inability for people to do what they know to be right, and the ability to do what you know to be right is a prerequisite for true community. People struggle toward things like accountability groups and so on, but to really have peace...that only really comes from turning your world over to God.

RM: Where did you come to recognize these kinds of things?

DW: What happened to me was that I became acquainted with the figures in the history of the church that had experienced the kind of life before God and in community that is spoken of in the scriptures. It was by reading about these people's experiences that I was able to go back to the scriptures. And when I did go back to the scriptures, I found the depth of teaching for life that is present there. In the great passages like Psalms 1, 1 Corinthians 13, The Sermon on the Mount...the ones that pretty much everyone knows...they were very instructive as to what I needed to do as a disciple of Jesus.

And let me just add this one point about obedience, because this is the place it comes in. I found early on that learning from Jesus how to do what he says is the central point of the New Testament doctrine of salvation and life. It does not separate the afterlife from this life, but says: "Put your confidence in Jesus and live with him as his student". Then all the other things will take care of themselves, as long as you're centered on learning from Jesus how to do what he says.

That is what is missing from our churches and from the young people we've been talking about. That is something that by grace and intelligence they can hear and when they hear it it's kind of a shock. Well...actually for many of them it's really not a shock. They say: "This is what I've been looking for." They just didn't find it in the Christianity that was presented to them. And then you say, "Yes, what you are longing for is taken care of as long as you step into the community which already exists and that is the Kingdom of Heaven."

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From: Boojeee
Date: Sat Aug 19 08:56:35 MST 2006 Subject: technology, solitude and the community

I agree with Willard's take on the pitfalls of being too plugged in to technology, but Sue thought my recent experience of technology would be a good addition to the string.

It's interesting that as I've been walking on this path of finding silence, solitude and prayer, some of the tools I've found are actually internet-available. Cheryl and I last year were reading through different writings of the mystics mostly from on-line texts. I upgraded my phone a couple months ago and it's now the main bible I use [http://mobible.org], with www.biblegateway.com running a close second. The tools at http://studylight.org are helpful for studying the bible [pretty sure that's what Eric uses for some sermon prep]. On my day of solitude up in Phoenix last week, I was reading about the practice of the daily office which sets aside time for prayer throughout the day. It's what the monasteries use to structure their day [although they have 9 times a day that they stop and pray—usually using psalms as their prayers, and I'm looking at 3 times a day as a possibility]. Up there I found Universalis [http://universalis.com], a website that has a usable liturgy for this purpose. You can use it on the web or download it to your computer and I found yesterday that I can access it on my phone, too.

But these are things to use in my relationship alone with God. The thing I really liked about what Willard said was: most... don't know what community means because community means assuming responsibility for other people and that means paying attention and not following your own will but submitting your will and giving up the world of intimacy and power you have in the little consumer world that you have created. I think the point of solitude, silence and prayer [and in fact a main point in following Christ] is that we bring this back into community. I'm finding that my temptation after having solitude is to become selfish and not want to serve others. It seems like if I get past this, my service is richer than when I haven't taken time away. Christianity is something we live out together as believers and in the context of real-life prebelievers and nonbelievers. If our technology is moving us away from “skin to skin contact” as Willard says, we are losing something of the call of Christ. We live in a lonely, disconnected [to live people, that is] world; we need to be like Christ and actually touch the hurting who need to be healed. Cyber-communities and texting and IMing have their place in terms of thought and communication, but they can't take the place of actually being with people. Like this cyber-community at villagersonline would not be as powerful if it were not for the physical connectedness and involvement that takes place throughout the week among Villagers. And if what happens here on the website is taking the place of that, we're losing out on what our community can really be.

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From: emily
Date: Sat Aug 19 21:28:05 MST 2006 Subject: fun! fun!

There's a lot of cool stuff to think about here. I espcially like Julie's term "prebelievers". It seems to have relevant applications.

For the Willard stuff: I only want to talk about one direction right now: self direction. He talks about the loss of self direction in our young people. He seems to offer technology as a cause for this. I would like to offer another idea for your thinking pleasure. How about: The tornado of choice in our society has motivated us to choose outside direction instead of self direction in order to maintain sanity.

When I look at the world my kids live in I see that our way of training our children is to impose large amounts of outside direction. We start with a VERY long school day and follow it up with even more structured activity. Some have day care, others have lessons, others have sports, and older kids have homework and even more school structured, extra curricular activities.

In this model, when will a kid learn self-direction? Will he learn self direction by getting to help mom choose which structured activity he will participate in? Or perhaps she will learn self direction when she considers what to do with her time in class after finishing assignment early? Does self direction come in the form of choosing when he will goof off in the long course of his directed activities?

Kids might have a few hours after school but their self direction oppurtunities are limited by a broad range of safety concerns. Many parents feel safer allowing their kids engage in TV or gaming rather than run around the neighborhood. But then parents who feel uncomfortable with all that screen time are at their wits end to think of what else to offer. Structured "fun" comes to the rescue. Phew! Sports, Christian kid groups, Chess Club, piano lessons, martials arts, etc. etc. Time and again parents talk about how kids just get up to no good if they don't have enough to "do". Even kids start to feel at loose ends if they don't have structured things to do.

But what can we do? As a mom I feel trapped by this problem. I've even considered the possibility that maybe I'm wasting my time even caring about unstructured time. What if our society is so complex that choosing what to do next is often too much for our brains to handle? In fact, we should just give in and structure every minute so that we have a safe place from which to process all the choices that are constantly streaming past us. Is our modern version of self direction the just the discipline of choosing which outside direction you will submit to?

Its possible. And I am probably a child of shifting realities. Caught between the reality of needing outside direction to help me maintain sanity but longing for a less complex life when I had to make do with what was available. I grew up with one foot in simplicity and one foot in complexity.

We live in a world with a lot of choice and a lot of information. Technology can help us manage that information. Structure can help us manage the choice. But sometimes they manage us. This is not new. Being ruled by our tools has always been around. In fact, I think the 10 commandments were a tool and that got pretty ugly by the time Jesus showed up.

EmilyMc

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From: ryan
Date: Thu Aug 24 09:40:29 MST 2006 Subject: lost in the supermarket

This thread has me thinking about American culture in general. It makes such demands on us, on our time, our values, our identities. Even when I try to avoid it, the demands are still there...

I watch television, read junk mail, walk around big-box stores, see voyeuristic magazine covers and I feel dirty, like I was violated or manipulated or something. My friend brings me GI Joe dolls to draw tattoos on them; it's fun having a GI Joe tattoo parlor at my desk, but I see their misproportioned plastic bodies and they disturb me.

I am pretty tuned out from pop culture, but I still feel the bombardment of its messages: if you want something, buy it now or it will be gone forever; this deal ends Wednesday. Can't afford it, get a PayDay loan or a second mortgage. Want to travel? Here's a free airline ticket, just sign up for our service within 5 days. House too small? Get a bigger one, mortgage rates are at all-time lows. Car too old or isn't what you think you need? Get a better one, we've got 0% financing and easy payments. Not enough money? Work more hours, take a promotion... so what if it's not what you're passionate about. Move up in the world, get ahead. Check out the magazines and programs and see what kind of body/house/car/pet/hobby/whatever you need. Check out Barbie and GI Joe, that's what we're looking for. We've got what you need. Just don't screw up. Don't blow it.

I hear those messages and usually feel like I'm pretty good about making choices that are different. I work 32 hours not 40, I don't want to be a slave to my job. I went 12 years without a TV and only watch anything now to spend time with my wife because she enjoys it. I don't read magazines and rarely watch movies, and when I do, I am very picky about them. But when I'm honest with myself, the messages still carry a lot of weight. They still have a ring of `truth'.

I still feel ashamed about being skinny when I can't lift as
many boards or bricks as my friends; if I let them be, GI Joe and Brad Pitt would be painful reminders of my physical inadequacies. If I let myself, I'd probably feel disappointed that I don't bear any resemblance whatsoever to Orlando Bloom. I still catch myself looking at trucks and thinking, someday it would be nice to have one of those... I tell myself it's because it would be so practical, but I'm a liar if I deny part of it is because I'd feel more a man with a good work truck. I content myself with pridefully overloading my Tercel... I don't need a truck. I can put 500 pounds of bricks and cement in the trunk, no problem. Trucks suck gas anyway.

With all the hours I don't watch television, well, I still manage to fill my time such that I don't get much time alone or in silence... and the silence still feels lonely... at least until Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom show up in a 4WD Tacoma crew cab, laughing and having a gay old time at what surely feels like my expense. Then the silence gets a little uncomfortable.

Honestly, I have no desire to have Brad Pitt's body or Orlando Bloom's looks. (I can't say I'd complain if I had a Tacoma crew cab.) I just want the feeling. The feeling of being strong and desired. The deep knowing that a good, kind strength is part of the core of my identity. I can intellectually see that truth, but it feels like a daily battle to claim it. I keep hearing either that I am weak, or that my strength is bad or unkind... an angry grasping at power over my world.

I think I live my life pretty differently from the tenets of American culture, but it sure seems to come to the same end... overly busy and distracted from God, overly preoccupied with worldly definitions of value and manhood. I used to think I was OK with a relationship with God in the in-between times, like a constant conversation underneath and above everything happening. It sounded great and it felt like it gave me a lot of freedom, because what I had before was regimented and legalistic. But the reality is that it's just not enough. It's not everything... and Jesus wants everything.

(Aside from this thread, this post was partly inspired by a classic Clash song. The lyrics paint such an accurate picture of the emptiness in our world...)

LOST IN THE SUPERMARKET

I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offer
A guaranteed personality

I'm all tuned in, I see all the programmes
I save coupons from packets of tea
I've got my giant hit discoteque album
I empty a bottle and I feel a bit free

The kids in the halls and the pipes in the walls
Make me noises for company
Long distance callers make long distance calls
And the silence makes me lonely

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From: Karen
Date: Thu Aug 24 15:45:50 MST 2006 Subject: Great blog

Well, this is one awesome blog. What St. DW said was insightful, and the responses are just as good. I went looking for it today, but I saw it had disappeared off the right hand column, went digging for it, and--lo and behold--Ryan Mc had typed something just as good as the stuff up before. With the ironic title, "Lost..." ;-)

The Kurt Cobain lyrics also ring painfully true: "I feel stupid, and contagious, here we are now, entertain us."

I've noticed that overstimulation is often a real problem for us, or at least by us, I mean "me." Especially when I'm in my teaching months, i.e., 80 percent of the year. As much as I love the music and hate the silence at times, I sometimes still must turn off the music, TV, everything for several minutes. Or longer. To let the true emotions and the true thoughts billow up. As well as to let the lies be made clear as lies.

I hate the silence and emptiness, at times, but I also hate the clamoring. I hate that I can't do webmail without annoying ads from the online singles folks.

Self-direction...I'm supposed to be (yes, supposed to be, according to Amphi SD) training my students to be self-directed. Which I totally support. And many of them totally resist! Because self-direction takes effort. And, as Emily Mc points out, that's ironically in the context of a non-stop 7 hr instructional day, when you're surrounded by dozens, or even hundreds of other people at once, with bells that ring every 55 minutes, or more often. Be self-directed until the bell, then go where you should go next! Be self-directed, but under the guidelines of our multifaceted state-mandated curriculum.

Obviously, we need structure. But I think that we've been increasingly substituting stimulation and clamoring demands, instead of true structure (the kind that comes out of having made intentional priorities). Also, we are tempted to substitute stimulation and STUFF for the structures--the disappointments, the joys, but either way the challenges--of relationship.

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From: NewRyan
Date: Thu Aug 24 19:23:41 MST 2006 Subject: test

To be "self-directed" is not an easy task for me. I identify with the experiene in this way: drifting from preparations for the day to work to eating meals, to running errands to checking my email and favorite sites....etc, etc. Often this all happens without much sense of purpose, relationship or connectedness to God. I've seen how solitude and meditating on scripture has helped me to break this cycle of being "swept along by life."

Perhaps a river is a helpful metaphor here: I'm been swept down this river called life and I typically am just looking downstream a few yards to avoid rocks or trees or rapids. Solitude is making it shore, hauling yourself out and then surveying the coming obstacles. Here I can take in the lay of the land and see where this river is going. Sometimes I recognize that this river is going to a place I don't want to be. Perhaps it's time to change plans entirely and go overland. Often though, these times provide me a greater sense of clarity and peace. The river is moving. I can't stop it. However, I can negotiate it knowing there is one who is stonger and wiser than I am. He can help me negotiate all the obsticales I may run into. He knows the final destination and he promises I'll make it there eventually. Perhaps it's in these times that God invites me to build a raft which I can steer and then invite someother people onto it with me.

sometimes drifting, sometimes steering, sometimes paddling for dear life,
-Ryan

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From: Karen
Date: Fri Aug 25 15:25:21 MST 2006 Subject: The River Wild

It's a good analogy, I think, that the discipline of solitude is like taking out of a river. Yeah, it slows down the trip, if you're really determined to "get somewhere," but sometimes, if you don't take out, you could take a dangerous (fatal?) drop off the rapids. (Does anyone else remember the cheesy beginning of "Land of the Lost," that Sat a.m. show? oh, anyway...) It feels like I do a lot of schlepping of the raft, myself. Maybe some of that portaging from the take-out is unnecessary. Maybe I'd do better putting on a good strong helmet & just running the rapids in between? I'll need a lot of paddling help to do this. I don't have a very strong paddling arm. But my lifevest is sound (albeit constaining at times) ;-)

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From: Patricia
Date: Tue Aug 29 11:09:10 MST 2006 Subject: structurelessness?

Over the last three months or so I have been caught up in those rapids, and now, finally I have come up to breathe and look at my surroundings. I had not even read any part of this blogging series until today. At first the sheer size was intimidating. To stay in NewRyan's analogy, it felt like looking at a lake with a dam - vast and deep and still. Scary.

I want to hook into something Emily Mc wrote about structured time versus self direction in our kids. I think it was Einstein who said something about his theories not having developed in the class room or a lab, but outside, quietly playing in the dirt and grass, alone. This quote (too bad I don't have the actual quote) has helped me not feel guilty as a mom when I see Fiona in or under the tree, looking at the birds or taking in the way the wind moves the leaves, or when I see Timmy in the dirt, shaping streets or waterways with mud and rocks and sticks.
Most of their peers live very structured lives with piano, soccer, karate etc. And sometimes they do really want all that for themselves. It is with a bit of relief then that I tell them that these classes are out of our budget range.
All that to say that now, more than ever, do I want to ensure some unstuctured time for my children. Scheduled structurelessness, if you will. They don't have to know it. My hope is to keep them from getting sucked into the current too soon...

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